Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. 2. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. Not of works, lest any man should boast. He is the Head of the church. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Ephesians 2:8-9 It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. No member shall 7. OMG = Oh My Goodness! An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for Its my calling and my ministry. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Mind your own business. 2. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! Hey there. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Come and join. No, because thats not Gods will. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. 26 You blind Pharisee! We told to get married. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. Or preferring the KJV? They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Thats not unique to the IFB. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! We even have TWO. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. WebGetting to it. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Some of these are very much right on the money. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. Amen! I prefer Kjv! If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of 42. The membership I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. 24 Blind guides! While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. N/A The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Hypocrites! If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. 41. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. Many of these are down right untruthful . My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. 29. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). 52. I truly dont understand this one, ha! Im not responsible for how its perceived. Does he always heal people no. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? No one knew about the marriage except us. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. Wow! The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. No, thats silly! We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. 38. 47. I have read other versions of the Bible. I must put it in Jesus Christ. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. BUT, there is good news! WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. If I have misunderstood I apologize. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. 7 You hypocrites! I have no position or opinion of this From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. 2. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. Hypocrites! The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. 3. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? God works in mysterious ways. Yes. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. This is very good. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. Its insidious and extremely toxic. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. No one is "born into the church." If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. 6. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. Thanks. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. I am also against body piercings as well. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Lol. The members were so sweet to us. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. I want to respond to your #30. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. 55. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. hypocrite. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: 24. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines.

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