There should not be a threaded nut. In fact they all look the same to me apart from the liners 5 seconds on the google http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/. One of the main purposes of it was to essentially allow the head to breathe and sweat inside the steel cap. The Both the liners and the chinstrap on the British and its American cousin are almost identical. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. I'm putting in a picture. Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. O Gauge garden model railway Identifying a Mk.1* British Civil Defence Brodie. The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. colour is the paint finish of the helmet, in the photo it looks blue/grey ?. After the war he was, as prior stated, he held a very high position and worked in surveying land and buildings for military purposes, including Goonhilly which was his most famous and he even chose that name. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. By holding a British shell in one hand and an American shell in the other the weight difference is obvious. It may be tempting for some to say because the two types of helmets look so similar they are the same. A later study at the end of the Second World War would show that approximately 54% of bullets which hit the M1 of servicemen in Europe and the Pacific failed to penetrate the helmet. "Foyle." dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. var dailyinfo= new Array(31) var mydate=new Date() Mar 18, 2023 (2) WWI US ARMY DOUGHBOY COMBAT HELMETS $50. It's definitely a British Mk I helmet. By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. The first Brodie helmets entered service in September 1915 but the number of them being produced at this early date was so limited that they were stored in the trenches and given to individuals who were most susceptible to attacks on a given day. Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died 12/03/1918 ST. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. In conclusion, the M1 can probably be designated as the most successful combat helmet ever made. Hi, thanks for your reply. were refurbished and modified with a new leather liner and web chinstrap. Clear editor. Here's a list of WW2 American Helmet Liner Makers. That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner. Though I do not know the code for the manufacturers. I'm putting in a picture. DPH Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' You can post now and register later. Here is a good thread with a posting describing the British manufacturer codes. Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. The colour is fine looks to be the factory green finish, you can buy second hand original liners on line as long as it is for the MkII helmet. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt with a steel harness rivet. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. I am trying to work out what the markings are/ what they mean. I'll ask about the bail rivets. Next to this code there are a series of numbers. I bought it in France and I really don't know what kind of brodie is it and which army used it. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . The Great War Forum Limited April 2, 2014 in For a quarter of a century between the early stages of the First World War through to the first years of the Second World War the Brodie was the standard issue headgear for all British troops. Helmets such as this did not leave the factory this way. UK. My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. He did work there before the war but we are not sure if he held that position pre-war. Easiest well to tell if the shell is Brit or US is by how the chin strap bails are held in place. This dilemmaseems to become particularly problematic for the British reenactors who after spending hundred of dollars on their kit accidentally purchase an American helmet because they dont know the difference, or for collectors who want one or the other represented in their collection. This is an excellent . A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. He said it has a separate rim and a serial number of ZA57. I really don't think there are any other markings. I've just been given what looks like a pretty standard "Tommy" helmet. Both helmets are made from hardened manganese steel. 14th Bde. 2nd Bn. He was in standard active service but was injured in 1941/42 and it was then when he was positioned at Parliament. ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. Category. L31cm x D29cm x H12cm. 309.60 Buy It Now. It was in production already in the summer of 1915 when he was issued with his patent, but it would quickly evolve into a new design in the autumn as some deficiencies in the original were quickly removed and improvements were introduced. Benjamin Electric Co - Des Plaines - Illinois. It is a much heavier and more robust design. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' This was the American M1 helmet, arguably the most iconic and recognizable military helmet produced in modern times. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' If its a split rivet that holds the bails in place, its Brit. And later the Germans. Commonly referred to as the "Kelly" between 1932 and 1936 the M1917 and the British MK1 helmets in America. lol. It was the standard military issue helmet, albeit with some slight alterations to it, for American soldiers in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, as well as a whole host of smaller conflicts and deployments down to the early 1980s. var year=mydate.getYear() document.write; Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. It's the bottom left helmet in the photo (sorry this is the only one he has) I know that's not a lot to go on, but can anyone gather some info from this? if it is red underneathit could have been. dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. Display as a link instead, 25.00 1 bid 5.35 postage 5d 19h Click & Collect Repro British Army WW2 Plastic Helmet Tommy Doughboy Brodie Style WWII Soldier 12.99 Click & Collect Free postage The helmet istself is a Mk.1* but i have looked and cannot find any manufacturer stamps on either the helmet or liner/strap. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. By That's how the helmet got its official name as well. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Here you go Kenny, on closer inspection it looks like the last letter is probably a B. New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France ' Hello Leon. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. man in charge. Sign up for a new account in our community. Pity the liner is missing can you tell me what shape are the chinstrap loop/lugs, are they square or have. 14th Bde. The American shell is heavier. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. First questions and then the story. The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. The helmet has been varnished. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 British Army MkII Brodie Helmet MkI Liner - 1939, MKII Chinstrap at the best online prices at eBay! In the years after the end of the war the American Infantry Board tested a number of new models, but each of these were deemed to not mark any real improvement on the earlier design. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' // Stop Define Variables for days of the month dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). 5th Bde. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. . Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. Powered by Invision Community, Second World War British Brodie Helmet Identification, Helmets- mainly WW2 British and Commonwealth, both Civil Defense and from field service. Indeed so functional was it and easy to manufacture that the Brodie was purchased by many other countries and the design was adapted by several other European states and even by the United States. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' inspection stamp mark I've seen them before on liners. Just sold the ARVN ranger helmet. That's interesting that he was a staff member, because staff members were asked to volunteer to help in fire watching duties, with miles of corridors and hundreds of offices to check. Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. The resulting product, which was ready for mass production in 1917, was the M1917, the direct predecessor of the M1. British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942. WW1 BRITISH BRODIE Helmet SOMME relic - 60.00. These helmets were approved for service on 15 May 1916. Though we never call it that. Is it possible to take a better picture of the helmet, are there any markings inside? View detail. G. Budd, Manufacturing Co. It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. First questions and then the story. Moreover, many Commonwealth nations and other countries associated with Britain such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa began producing their own versions in the interwar years, while adapted versions of the Brodie were also used in some civilian settings in Britain, notably by the police and fire brigade. Unfortunately the helmet was in a shed for many years so is quite rusted. However, the M1 sits further back on the head than the Brodie, thus providing greater protection to the neck. 5th Bde. NOT JUST RESTORATION. I found a brodie helmet at an antique shop, its been painted black (going over several peace signs in black sharpie). dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. document.write; If it's a highly desirable unit it drives the price up. The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. OPH dailyinfo[21]=' L/32287 Driver John Frampton GAZE "O" Bty. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? A soup dish style helmet from the Great War, offered for sale islabeledincorrectly. The steel for the M1917 helmets was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Co and were stamped with a Heat or Lot code, The helmet liners were made by 10 Shoe Manufacturing Company's, the shells and liners would be delivered to the. In all around 900,ooo of these helmets were made by McCord's. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. Our philosophy is simple, we want to help people to own a piece of World War II history. The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' Sorry for the long post and thanks for any info you can give me. I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top. Will be adding helmets to the page soon, alexanderandsons Tom.Delahoyde While they were initially produced from manufactured paper fibres, these models were quickly discontinued when it was realised that they degraded in short order, particularly in the tropical conditions of the Pacific War in 1942 and 1943. All orders are shipped the same day from within the USA. Yes would be very interested to see the other documents, menu and any other informationyou have as these might help with identifying the letters on the helmet. These heavy finishes were field or depot applied.